#anti hologramcowboy

[whateverthedragonswant]

*logs in and sees even more anti-destiel posts*

Must be a day ending in Y.

Here's the thing: ship what you want, don't ship, whatever. That's your right. You also can have opinions on said ships or not shipping something. But for the love of God, can we please stop misrepresenting supposed facts and outright lying? Just because you don't want to acknowledge something present in the show? Or because one of you is super obsessed with Jensen while at the same time hating him because he married someone else and didn't come to sweep you off of your feet because you're his supposed soulmate? (which btw, while very weird in general, what does that even have to do with destiel? why are you even weighing in when it's clear that you're only saying what YOU believe while trying to speak for him as if you two are a single unit? It's creepy and makes no sense. Keep your obsession in check, please)

Alright, let's get started:

1) Jensen's actual words:

Firstly, if you're going to quote someone and state their opinion on the matter as FACT, let's not only get the source right but also list it so people can see what the person had to say for themselves so they can not only get the actual facts but come to their own conclusions (critical thinking, remember?). It's literally a link you can put into the post from YouTube, it's not rocket science last I checked.

29:35 is where it starts

A woman asks when did Jensen know about Cas' "romantic, deep love" for Dean before 15x18. Meaning when he did know bts as an actor.

Jensen's answer: "I don't think Dean ever really knew until the very end there." -- not only does he not answer the question in its original form (and hey, it's a con, it's loud, tons of people there waiting for his answer, he probably wasn't prepared for this question, etc - so I get it, I'm not criticizing him, I'm just stating facts), he responds initially for Dean, not himself.

But in this initial answer, he even acknowledges what the woman just said. "Romantic, deep love" -> "I don't think Dean ever really knew until the very end there." LITERALLY RIGHT THERE - Dean didn't know it until it was said

No matter what comes after this from him, Jared, or even what Jensen has said at cons afterwards, his answer literally confirms what she just said, and that answer is what popped first into his mind.

Then, prepare to have your mind blown antis, he confirms it AGAIN: "In fact, I know he didn't, because I didn't play that." -> he played Dean as not knowing about Cas' "romantic, deep love"

Only then does he start to delve into talking about the term romantic with Jared interrupting. But he confirmed it TWICE with his own words. That doesn't nullify his opinion or his perspective on the relationship, but it does confirm that was the intention of the scene.

And again, the question was about when they knew bts about Cas' "romantic, deep love" for Dean, not what Dean felt, not what type of love Jensen considers it to be (or Jared), not whether romance was meant to be in the show or not. Through his own words, he confirms it. Twice. (watch it again)

2) Types of love:

I can't believe this is even a point some people have tried to make in attempting to invalidate the scene from 15x18 but it's 2023 and here we are.

Philia love is platonic/friendly love. (click on the links - since it was mentioned that Cas only has angelic/heavenly/brotherly love for Dean and Castiel's angel character is loosely based on Christian traditions, I chose the same Christian perspective in these links) Storge love is the love of family or brotherly love.

Agape love is NOT brotherly love. (if you're going to use these terms and claim you're an expert, perhaps learn what they mean first?) Agape love is a God-like love of humans, completely unfathomable.

All of this is easily searchable. Google is your friend.

Now agape is the closest to what Jensen says later in that panel (though it changes to philia mixed with storge in a later con) though he did not use that specific term. However:

The scene was written and performed with romantic intentions from Castiel's side. This is confirmed time and time again.

And since a lot of anti-Destielers tend to be anti Misha as well (and accuse him of placating, lying, and being downright manipulative when it comes to this topic), here are some other confirmations:

The script is available online (again, Google is your friend) and you can read it for yourself. Robert Berens, the screenwriter, wrote the script (and it was greenlit by Andrew Dabb, the showrunner, and kept in the episode with the network, Singer, and WB giving it the green light after reviewing it before it aired) with Castiel's confessing his romantic love for Dean. It's right there.

If it's not romantic, then why can't Dean "recriprocate"? Why is he shocked at the "declaration from his best friend"? Why is it Cas' "hidden truth"? If it's just platonic from Cas' side or familial or even a God-like love of a human then why all of these factors mentioned in the script to help guide Jensen and Misha in performing the scene? You know why. And one of these antis is the supposed acting expert in the fandom? Puhlease.

How's that for "script analysis"?

Not to mention, since it's clear these same antis don't know a thing about writing and how it actually works, why was this scene a part of Castiel's arc that connects back to his arc in season 15?

3:49 - "I know who you love"

Yep, they weren't planning the confession back then, but when the showrunner and the writing team did start planning the end of the character's journey going into season 15, this ties up Castiel's arc neatly and it's perfect foreshadowing. Right down to The Empty's involvement. And they tied it up this way why? To make sense with events that came before it so a visible narrative is present for this character's journey as well as showing his development. (that's literally writing 101 btw)

There's a shit ton more I could throw into this post but I think I've made my point. So the next time antis decide to sit there and scold people who ship/celebrate Destiel and tell them that they don't understand "script analysis" like you do or how dare they twist Castiel's love for Dean into something it's not because you're playing megaphone-turned-into-a-wannabe-parrot for Jensen (aka your point of unhealthy fixation) because Castiel only meant it as an angel, perhaps don't. Or at least look up the facts first before you spout off any of that nonsense. You've had no problem saying Jensen needs to take an acting lesson or two because he's basic and dilutes his characters while also having one note acting, so maybe you should take a writing lesson or two. 🤷‍♂️ Seems fair.

Think whatever you want about Dean and how he regards Castiel's romantic confession, or how Jensen sees it, or whatever you need to tell yourself since it was left ambiguous, but don't you dare sit there and tell people they're wrong for reading Castiel's love the way it was written, performed, and intended to be perceived -> romantic. Or imply that they lack a basic understanding of love, condescend to them to have to explain it to them as if they're idiots, and falsely accuse them of maliciously twisting your fantasy beloved's Jensen's words. Especially when it's very easily proven that the only ones in the wrong here are you, and this is very clearly a "you" issue.

It happened.

It was romantic.

Get over it.

[hologramcowboy]

Since you like speculation and theories, can i share some of my own? Remember, is pure speculation, so it's not mean to offend anyone.

This is my favorite one, and i would love it if it turns out to be true: You and the hooker witch are one and the same person.

Second theory: You are Jensen's helicopter mother. That would explain why you know everything that happens in the Ackles house hold, why you're low key toxic about Jensen's achivements and you justify your criticism with concern for him, would also explain why Jensen left his home at a young age to never return, and why that seems to bother you for some reason.

Finally my third theory: you are in the closet and you can't accept it, and/or are very afraid to come out. This fear is where your hate towards Danneel is rooted, because you probably feel very attracted to her, and you hate that fact.

This would also explain why you hate Jensen so much, and why you spend so much time trying to convince other people and yourself of Danneel's unatractivness.

@curiouswitches We are the same person and clearly we are the Queen that rules over this person's mind. Hahahahahahah While I do have an incredibly powerful maternal instinct, so does every woman who is in harmony with herself and that nurturing side extends to all others not just to kids. People usually look for their parent of the opposite sex in their partners so if you say I am like Jensen's mom then I'm his ideal relationship wise. lol I do have on thing in common with mommy Ackles and it is the highest possible thing but I won't share what that is. P.S.: Hello, mommy Ackles, call me! ;) Let's go shopping together, it seems we have a lot in common according to this anon. Let's connect. Third one is incredibly stupid because it assumes that people don't have personal tastes and that Danneel is somehow universally attractive, how delusional are you on a scale of 1 to 10? 200! lol

Oh, and as secure, attractive woman who is in harmony with herself, I have no problem admitting when another woman is breathtakingly beautiful. Here's a list of my main female "crushes":

Sofia Vergara (Jensen's actual celebrity crush but, for the record, I liked her first) She and I have something in common, won't say what. lol

Adriana Lima

Taylor Hill

Angelina Jolie

Kelly Hu - young and current, she's always been the epitome of beauty.

Margot Robbie

Catherine Zeta Jones

Beyonce

Aishwarya Rai

Monica Bellucci

I could go on but what all these women have in common is that, if you remove their make-up, they are still as breathtakingly gorgeous as they are with make-up, if not more. (I hate the overdone make-up look) It's called natural beauty and, in my humble opinion, it's the best kind of pure and real beauty that exists. Danneel? Sans extensions, fake lashes, kilos of make-up and botox, she looks unrecognizable and that's putting it lightly. Oh, would you look at that, no Elta in that list. Hahahahaha Could it be because she's creepy as f, disgusting inside and made of plastic? I don't call her PlastiKween for nothing. I never try to convince anyone of anything, my blog is focused differently but I can see how someone limited would assume I act like them. *cough* You *cough* In fact, You are the one trying to convince everyone that I am THIS and THAT, aren't you? How's that working out for you? Is that working out well? lol These women also have a breathtaking femininity about them and a sensuality that is overwhelming, they are, basically, the opposite of everything Danneel is type wise as she is vulgar, tomboyish, plays on her sexuality in off putting ways that demean women, lacks grace and class completely. That being said, this post is just immensely entertaining so A+ for that but next time try to avoid intentions like outing people or, in any case, assuming their sexual identity, that's not only rude it also classifies as abuse. You lack class and empathy, that's for sure. My sexual identity, much like Jensen's is none of your business. Read that again. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you just made a stupid joke without realizing what you were doing. I am sorry for being so harsh but I have a lot of queer friends and the thing I hate the most is when people weaponize their sexuality or try to judge them for it. I can be whatever I want to be and so can they. Little charisma lesson, for future reference, it's classy, intelligent and empathetic to respect boundaries and steer clear of certain assumptions. If you wish to connect with someone over sexuality there are other ways to do that without being invasive and without violating their identity. Now, let me put forth another theory: It gets to you that some women can be more attractive, intelligent, high quality than Danneel and that the list is endless. That's because it forces you to face the fact that you've lowered your standards to stan a z lister with no culture whose only claim to fame is nakedness and banging Jensen. You suspect I am indeed more than her that's why you keep coming back to my blog, because, in reality, you are projecting the negative beliefs YOU have about her and Jensen unto me. You cannot own your own shadow side so you try to project it unto others. You are not in harmony with yourself and your self loathing levels are much higher than your self appreciation. You perceive me as more than you so you need me to validate your positive perceptions about Danneel, I'm not more than anyone, by the way, and sorry but I can't confirm your perceptions because mine are completely different and clearly you resonate with them on some level and are too afraid to admit what you really think about Danneel. The only love you feel for Jensen is a pathological obsession with an idea of him, you objectify him to extremes and only "love" Danneel because she is associated with him. If he were to divorce her tomorrow and marry me or someone else then you'd have a brand new "Kweeeeen". You are incapable of thinking for yourself so you subjugate your values to Jensen and Danneel's because of this, your personality is under developed due to this and you miss out on a lot of your goals and dreams because you are focused on the wrong people instead of focusing on your happiness.

Finally, and this is just pure speculation and gossip so please never take it seriously, after all, what do I know about myself: I naturally find people like her low quality. I'm not the only one. To give you a simple analogy: What is a real doctor going to think about some drug addicted psycho who sells drugs and calls themselves a doctor? That's exactly it. That analogy explains why I dislike Danneel, I'm of a certain type and quality and she is the cheap, fake, plastic, uncultured version. I am sorry, I realize this will come off as mean but it is what it is. Another analogy: What's a highly trained, brilliant actor going to think about an amateur who gets cast because they banged the shady producer? There you go, please don't ever wonder why someone like me can't stand someone like Danneel, she's the poorest excuse of an "actress" and "artist" and don't even get me started on the humanity side, it truly makes me cry that Jensen ended up with someone so low quality, vapid, devaluing and fake and I hope, with all of my heart and soul, that he will soon move on to someone higher, capable of loving him deeply but in order to do that he has to first get back in harmony with himself. I'm someone who is incredibly direct and blunt and who loves critical thinking, for this reason, a lot of my opinions trigger people, because they are used to black and white notions and being judgemental so they project that unto me but I am one of the least judgemental people you will ever meet in life, ironically. There's a huge difference between judging and discerning. I am a person who discerns way more than I will ever judge. I love Jensen in my own unique way and have way more in common with him than you think but that doesn't mean I turn a blind eye any more than I ever would with anyone close to me, truly appreciating someone isn't just seeing rainbows and positive qualities, it's also calling people out, pointing our areas where they can improve, holding them to the best of standards and inspiring the best in them rather than letting them wallow in self pity, toxicity and other negative states. I have an extremely practical mind and that benefits everyone in my life because I am usually the one person that will tell them what the next step is to reach their goals because I am unafraid to bring up what is missing and I do so candidly. It's perfectly okay that you don't appreciate me and that you truly cannot comprehend how I view Jensen, you ignore all of my praise of him and only focus on the things about him that are rightfully off, except you try to twist them as if I am responsible for them. That's perfectly fine but know that it defines YOUR scope and intentions not mine. Also, you offended no one but your own intelligence, I guess. I found this post hilarious. lol

[may064]

Oh that hologramcowboy person re-blogged me and blocked me! Good riddance! I can finally not see their shit!

I was tired of seeing them parading around as a Jensen fan and spouting absolute bullshit. This person is not-in-the-know or whatever. If they are, bring some proof, anything! Oh! even better! They’re in the know as much as Goob is! So, good for them, I guess ;).

But, if they were so in-the-know and so confident of themselves why couldn’t they bring any proof of literally anything they said? They have got a million theories and a tight philosophy about how good of an actor Jensen is NOT. But they couldn’t answer for Kylie and Katherine. Why their storyline ALSO sucks this season and not just Jensen’s. If Jensen changes the script so much and doesn’t understand his character (which is, bs honestly. No director or production team will give the actor so much control that he can change his character’s entire arc. (Also, Jensen has eidetic memory and can remember lines very well and can understand his characters very well. This is a known fact. He goes slowly through the script when he first gets it just to understand the character’s motivations and where they’re coming from. Therefore, another lie debunked.) So, rest assured that whatever’s happening it’s happening with the consent of the producers and the development team.) I’m sure the production team is there to point out any mistakes that don’t go with the character? Or does Jensen have them all tied up with ropes or has people holding guns to their head? And even after he’s said that he can accept any criticism? Elwood Reid is there, he’s not going to get starry eyed at Jensen. He can surely tell him when he’s going wrong and I’m sure does when it happens. Alos, there’s a thing such as fucking bad writing? And it has been going on since season 2, before Jensen came in? If the writing’s bad, even the best actor in the world can’t do anything?

So, this bullshit is just anti-behaviour. If not, then bring proof. Any proof. Also, super fun if anybody doesn’t agree with you or cheer you for hating Jensen or doesn’t want him to retire, they’re automatically an AA. Great, in that case, sure!

[laf-outloud]

https://laf-outloud.tumblr.com/post/704254703742156800/laughing-so-hard-at-your-posts-youre-so

Anon is really making the rounds! At least they don't copy/paste like a lot of their group but they do use a lot of the same phrasing. Guess they didn't get the response they wanted from neecy [here] but there are some good responses to them anyways [here] and [here]

And even before that they tried it with hologramcowboy [here] and [here] and there was a good response [here]

so it seems like they are trying different versions of this same ask on a bunch of blogs (some key words/phrases: "you're pathetic", "shows with less than a million viewers", "joke outside of fandom", etc.) hoping to, I don't know, have someone be like "OMG YOU'RE RIGHT!!! I STAN JENSEN NOW!!" or something. its really just a sad sad waste of their time tbh.

And they say we're bored? All that anon is doing is proving how insecure they are over Jensen's future prospects.

There's a couple of reasons I don't go to anti Jared blogs spouting the same stuff. One, because I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind, and more importantly, because I am secure in the knowledge that Jared is happy and successful doing what he's doing. It doesn't matter what haters say about him. They have absolutely no effect on his career or reputation within the industry. The only time I'll worry about Jared haters is if it appears his actual safety is in danger.

But I guess this anon doesn't believe in Jensen, or doesn't believe that he's as successful or relevant as they say he is, otherwise they wouldn't be bothered by our blogs or try to tear Jared down to Jensen's level.

So to that anon, I say, work on your own self-esteem because if you're that insecure over a celebrity, I can only imagine how insecure you are in your own life.

[xlynnbbyx]

If that Jensen anti does waste money going to a panel of a show they hate and aren’t going to watch by an actor they hate, and get picked for a question they are only going to look stupid. It will only reflect bad on them.

And if the Jensen anti asks a question/makes a comment that is rude and paints Jared as a poor victim then that is just gonna reflect bad on that person and on Jared’s fandom which because of a select hateful few is gaining a reputation outside of SPN as a messy/hateful fandom.

They may get some satisfaction asking or saying some shit but it will backfire, rightly so.

Just going to answer both anons in one post in case I end up repeating myself.

Anon 1- I’m not sure how other cons work I’m not a huge con goer. Huge crowds make me nervous it ups my anxiety. Yes I still want to go to Supernatural con(next year creation con) but I can deal with that. I just wouldn’t be able to go constantly. But I am assuming with big cons like NYCC they have people who ask a person what they are asking ahead of time to make sure it’s not nothing rude. I do think someone will end up asking about John cause we know John didn’t know about anything supernatural until Mary’s death. That seems to be the biggest issue for many. I do have my theory on how they can address it. But I am sure things will be fine at the panel.

Anon 2- I don’t follow hologramcowboy so I don’t know what she posts on her blog. I don’t want to say anything about other blogs cause I can’t control what other people post on their blog. Plus I try to keep my blog as positive as possible. So I can’t comment on what was said. But I will say this to everyone. Please do not encourage people in this fandom to do something to spread negativity. Even if you say it as a joke many people in this fandom take it seriously. I understand most are not happy about The Winchesters which is fine. I mean everyone is entitled to their opinion. But if you don’t like a show don’t pay attention to it. Don’t even mention it just ignore it. Cause the more you talk about something good or bad it still gives attention But like I said joke or not don’t encourage people to do stuff in this fandom cause people will take it too far. This is directed towards everyone in this fandom.

[eisforeidolon]

I saw that too, it's on that blog hologramcowboy, according to her anonymous go to the NY comicon, the worst that this hologramy supports this behavior, but what to expect from an anti blog that pretends to be a fan

At the end of the day, people can say whatever they want on their own blogs that doesn't involve reportable offenses. No matter how absurd it might sound to anyone from outside their echo chamber of overeager credulity. That's true regardless of which group of fandom extremists we're talking about.

@samisadeangirl brought up a really good point on the other post that most people are way braver talking shit online than they would ever be in person. If I'm understanding you correctly and this particular display of chest-puffery was from some anon who isn't even committed enough to talk shit under their own fake online name ... well. That makes the whole thing even more of a pantomime of buffoonery.

Unless it's amusing to make fun of them, cathartic or otherwise worthwhile to refute something particularly daft they're trying to spread, or necessary to report them for genuine threats? It's best to remember that trolls gonna troll and stans gonna stan regardless of what you do. Even moreso when their agendas are so very transparently contradicted by what they claim it becomes hilariously farcical.

[whateverthedragonswant]

Okay, Hologramcowboy, I'm not even sure what you expect me to say after all of that lol. (Link) But since you claim you're blocking me after reblogging my post more than once, I guess I'll give it a shot:

"Intelligent, classy people just block. Like what I'm going to do to you after responding to this. ;)" -> I never had a reason to block you until now. I came across your posts due to other blogs I follow that for some reason follow you and it would also be suggested to me from time to time on this site, which is what happened today and how I saw your unhinged post.

"You failed to mention the vicious hate ask sent in my inbox." -> A vicious hate ask? Probably because I don't follow your blog and didn't know one was sent. Also, why would I? That has nothing to do with my post. I never sent it. Seriously, do you just make imaginary attacks up to make yourself sound like a victim to your readers? Or do you just go around blaming random people for any hate that you've incurred from your actions?

"Never stated that Danneel or Jensen read my blog. They don't get the rumors from tumblr, they get rumors from their team doing market research. Which you would know, if you did, in fact, have a clue about their industry. And I say team as in singular because Danneel does not have the pull or value to have her own high tier team and leeches off of jensen's. If you think actors don't have a set strategy to reposition/rebrand themselves when rumors affect their image then you are sadly deluded." -> Oh, um, okay lol, how do I even respond to this? Oh my goodness. First, you don't know a thing about me or what I know. For all you know, I could be a part of the industry that you snobbishly claim to know all about. I know very well how it all works, thank you. Secondly, you obviously don't understand the basic concept of sarcasm which is clear throughout my post. Third, do you think I care about Jensen or Danneel or their teams to the point that you do? Nope.

"Thirdly, instead of acting like an immature bully, consider the fact that not everyone needs to love what you love. The world is a diverse place. Learn to enjoy what you love and truly believe in it instead of attacking others who are deeply secure in their views." -> Thirdly? When did you make a second point? An immature bully you say? I never once used your name or @ you, for all you know this post could have been about someone else, another anti that posted something unhinged about Danneel. The fact that you jumped to claim ownership proves one thing only: you are seriously that unhinged. I certainly wouldn't boast about that. That's not the point of pride or flex you think it is. If anything, it's tragic. And immature bully - who reblogged me so I would get mobbed by her readers and get the mean girl treatment? How mature is that and in what world is that not bullying? Instead of messaging me or asking me outright who I was talking about, you instead reacted emotionally and did the immature bullying move here yourself.

"Goes without saying but since you seem less than sharp and unable to grasp this:" -> once again, you don't know me so don't pretend to know how I grasp things

"When I write "hey danneel", I'm not actually talking to Danneel, I am venting, something I am entirely free to do on MY BLOG. The fact that you would even for a second imagine I was speaking to her shows you have some serious biases and project a lot. Danneel does not read my blog, read that again, Danneel does not read my blog." -> Um, babe, you do realize that you are ironically using the words 'biases' and 'project', right? From the few posts I've seen come my way recently from you, your biases of being anti Jensen and anti Danneel are indeed 'biases'. When you say that Jensen has an alcohol addiction, that Jensen is an absent father, even going so far as to say one of his daughters has a mental issue, that Danneel purposely got pregnant to trap Jensen, that Danneel has mental issues, you do realize you're 'projecting', right? Especially your Danneel is 'ABUSING' Jensen post. Which, sister, if you don't understand what abuse actually is, maybe you should shut your mouth. Not because it's about Danneel or anyone else, but because you're literally harming abuse survivors by casually throwing that word around. Don't believe me? Look it up, sis.

"Also, as per my disclaimer, my blog is for entertainment purposes only. If you dislike it in any way, do not read it. Read that again, do not read it." -> once again, I don't follow your blog so why would I read your disclaimer. Good for you, I guess?

"You don't want drama? Don't start it! I was sent your post by someone who ran across it." -> Lol, sure, Jan. I think the reason you jumped on this post so fast that you found is because you know it speaks truth.

"Just so you know, if you or your bully friends see any of my posts, it's because you are purposefully looking through the Anti tags, which means you are purposefully targetting and then acting holier than thou." -> Say what? I just said I don't go looking for your posts or your blog. I just told you above how I saw your posts and it's been happening that way for a while now. I'll turn your words back to you: "You don't want drama? Don't start it!" And acting holier than thou? How? How is me bringing rationale to the table that you keep setting with your obsessive takes acting holier than thou? And, sis, why would I target you? Seriously. Just like you mentioned, this is MY BLOG and I can post my opinions on here, same as you. Don't like it? Block me like you said you would.

"You have an obsession with a couple of Z listers, you're no brain surgeon so please dial down the histrionic drama and fake outrage and act like a responsible adult." -> Obsession? In what world am I obsessed with Jensen? Did you fail to see the header of my blog when you saw my post and dived into it? "No celebrity standom" Once again, how do you not know I'm a brain surgeon by trade? It sounds to me like you make an awful lot of assumptions and you really do remind me of those online bullies who like to use words as weapons. Don't worry, I'm not insulted, just disappointed. And histrionic drama and fake outrage? Sis, I wasn't the one that reblogged your post to my mean girls clique in order to garner feigned sympathy and support because I realized what an assholish post I made and didn't like someone's alternate take on it. You keep mentioning all of this hate you get, have you ever taken a look at yourself and wondered why? I don't condone it, no one should ever send hate. Been there, received it from AA's myself, but damn, girl. Look at how you're acting.

"P.S: Next time you or your friends send hate anon messages, have the guts to sign them and show the world what you really are like inside your heart and mind." -> Le sigh, once again, I don't send hate anon messages nor do I know of anyone on here that does. First, I'm an adult and I can handle myself, thank you. Second, I do sign my name when I leave asks, thank you. Because I don't have anything to hide and I don't leave hate messages. In my book, that's cowardly and I despise it. Like I mentioned above, I've been through that before myself so why would I perpetrate that against someone else? Even if I don't agree with their unhinged takes and I can clearly see that you're unwell after receiving these messages from you?

"Let me help you by blocking you so that you won't ever be bothered by my posts again." -> Cool, thanks. I very much appreciate that actually. How kind of you after all of that spewed vitriol.

"Have a nice life that hopefully doesn't involve foregoing your dreams and goals over a sad z lister like Danneel Ackles. Seriously, you're meant for more in life than just limiting yourself to worshipping a has been "actress". I hope you give yourself the love and appreciation you are projecting unto her." -> What? Lol. Seriously? Okay, babe, seriously and I mean this compassionately now, I don't know where you learned this form of gas lighting from but if there were ever a statement that encompasses that form of psychological abuse (trust me, I would know), it's that. Thanks for the well wishes, I guess? Wow. I kind of feel like Emma Stone in Easy A right now. "Did I just get saved?" Smh. And since when do I worship Danneel? If you actually looked at my blog, you would see that I don't worship anyone. Once again, "no celebrity standom". Question, are you an AA in disguise by chance?

@hookslinesandsinkers I never sent any hate asks to anyone. I don't believe in that practice. First, no one deserves hate no matter who they are. Second, I would sign my name if I truly thought going to her blog to say something to her was worth the trouble. I've been through the AA hate swarming thing myself in the past. I don't condone that.

Hologramcowboy:

"Yes, it had to be this blogger because the ask was using key words they used in this post. Funny how they failed to mention in their post that they send anon hate which, of course, they won't ever own up to. 🤣🤦🏼‍♀️ Ah, fandom, keep being cray cray." -> That's why you're incorrectly accusing me of sending you hate asks? Because of keywords? Lol! What keywords? "Jensen"? "Danneel"? "Birthday"? "Unhinged"? Omg, I don't even-- 🤦🏼‍♀️ You know what? You made your point, Hologramcowboy. It's obvious that I nor anyone else on any social media site should ever pay attention to what you say. Congratulations. You win. You're clearly spiraling and you are beyond paranoid. You go around yelling at people for doing the same thing you're doing on this site, then falsely accuse them of doing worse things than that in order to paint yourself as the crucified victim and gain sympathy from your readers. I wish nothing but the best for you moving forward. I really hope you get well.

Holy hell, and I thought the AA's were bad. The language used in reblog comments alone. I've seen antis say some messed up things over the years and AA's say worse, but that's a whole new level of unhinged. I've managed to get away from abusive personalities like this one over the years, I have no desire to invite another in. No thank you.

[whateverthedragonswant]

And here I was, signing in after rewatching a classic, to check notes on a meta post I posted today for a completely different fandom, only to see all of that SPN fandom craziness. Here's a tip: if you don't like how people react to your unhinged posts about a guy and his wife, perhaps don't post it?

It's very clear that I'm not the only person who didn't care for that episode of crazy from earlier today. Why else would you jump all over me the way that you did? And then falsely accuse me of sending you hate asks? Lol.

[whateverthedragonswant]

Since I still see Hologramcowboy's readers still liking this post (as she fully intended, again who is the bully? lol), here ya go, enjoy!:

Okay, Hologramcowboy, I'm not even sure what you expect me to say after all of that lol. (Link) But since you claim you're blocking me after reblogging my post more than once, I guess I'll give it a shot:

"Intelligent, classy people just block. Like what I'm going to do to you after responding to this. ;)" -> So, are you admitting you're not intelligent and classy then? You could have just blocked me if you were really that offended but then that would mean you'd have to practice what you preach, and that you actually would be someone who doesn't intimidate, bully, gaslight, and act like an asshole in general. So yeah, not intelligent and classy, you're right. As for me, I never had a reason to block you until now. I came across your posts due to other blogs I follow that for some reason follow you and it would also be suggested to me from time to time on this site (that's Tumblr's algorithm not me, I can't tell you how many anti posts I have to "dismiss" from my timeline), which is what happened today and how I saw your unhinged post. And yes, it is unhinged hence my reaction to it aka LMFAO.

"You failed to mention the vicious hate ask sent in my inbox." -> Hold on, let me get my crystal ball. A vicious hate ask, you say? Probably because I don't follow your blog and didn't know one was sent (crystal ball's not working sorry, I've contacted Technical Support, don't worry). Also, why would I? That has nothing to do with my post. Are you accusing me of sending it? LMAO!!!! I never sent it. Seriously, do you just make imaginary attacks up to make yourself sound like a victim to your readers? Or do you just go around blaming random people for any hate that you've incurred from your actions? Sounds like you must get a lot of hate then, can't imagine why...

"Never stated that Danneel or Jensen read my blog. They don't get the rumors from tumblr, they get rumors from their team doing market research. Which you would know, if you did, in fact, have a clue about their industry. And I say team as in singular because Danneel does not have the pull or value to have her own high tier team and leeches off of jensen's. If you think actors don't have a set strategy to reposition/rebrand themselves when rumors affect their image then you are sadly deluded." -> Oh, um, okay lol, how do I even respond to this? Oh my goodness. First, you don't know a thing about me or what I know. For all you know, I could be a part of the industry that you snobbishly (and fibbingly) claim to know all about. I know very well how it all works, thank you. Secondly, you obviously don't understand the basic concept of sarcasm which is clear throughout my post. Third, do you think I care about Jensen or Danneel or their teams to the point that you do? Nope. You don't see me on here making "Dear Danneel" posts, do you? Where I make fun of her physical appearance, call her "trashy" or a "whore" or "easy". Nah sis, I leave that immature and disturbing jealous behavior to you. And what, you're an expert in the industry? You really expect me to believe that you know anything about the business? LMAO don't make me choke on a laugh. Lol-jackles I can believe was at one time involved in the industry. You aka delusional-town who makes shit up on the daily? Not one bit. Lol-jackles is no longer in the industry and what's more they don't hide how they were involved or what their experience is. You, on the other hand, have never told anyone what your experience is but you expect any gullible person on here to believe you know what you're talking about. By his replies and posts, the experience seeps through. By your replies and posts, what does seep through besides your delusions is a very scared, insecure, unprofessional little girl who has decided to mimic Regina George and make her blog a sad and cheap replica of The Burn Book, obsessively focused on one married couple, namely the husband who you are convinced you have some romantic and psychic link to and know the real him (hate to burst that hallucination bubble but you don't). Time to get real, HC, and join the actual world outside of your computer screen. (oh, and not that this has to do with this post, but no, your coworkers and every person sitting under the sun is not jealous of you, envious of you and your supposed good looks, or even thinking of you. You and Jensen sharing that burden of being so good looking that no one on the planet will leave either of you alone and that's why you're fated to be together...yeah no, it's time to dial it down there Gloria Swanson)

"Thirdly, instead of acting like an immature bully, consider the fact that not everyone needs to love what you love. The world is a diverse place. Learn to enjoy what you love and truly believe in it instead of attacking others who are deeply secure in their views." -> Thirdly? When did you make a second point? *goes back to look, checks notes* I don't see it. Did you mean secondly? Too emotional and upset to keep track? Yeah, I would be too, if the truth about my behavior was so blatant and I was trying to hide it. An immature bully you say? I never once used your name or @ you, for all you know this post could have been about someone else, like another anti that posted something unhinged about Danneel. The fact that you jumped to claim ownership proves one thing only: you are seriously that unhinged and you need professional help. You know, like you always tell anyone who disagrees with your deluded ass? I certainly wouldn't boast or claim credit for your unhinged posts about Danneel and how much you personally hate her for marrying your Prince Charming visual ideal, or your posts where you claim such outlandish things about the man you are supposedly in deep love with obsessed with, or about their innocent children and your supposed expertise unhinged ranting on their alleged mental states. That's not the point of pride or flex you think it is. If anything, it's tragic and pure lunacy as well as bullying on innocent children who haven't done a thing to you but exist (which obviously shatters your fantasy family you would have liked to build with Jensen in your imaginary world). And immature bully - wait, who reblogged me so I would get mobbed by her readers and get the mean girl treatment? Riiiight. How mature is that and in what world is that not bullying? Instead of messaging me or asking me outright who I was talking about, you instead reacted emotionally and did the immature bullying move here yourself. Which to be perfectly honest, I don't expect anything less from you. You not only dole out incorrect information all the time about various topics (like Jared can sue Jensen for being one of the faces for The Winchesters...girl, do you not even know how IP works? And yet you're an expert in the acting industry...sure), but you consistently lie, gaslight, and make shit up to your readers, especially those who question you or respectfully disagree with you. And as if Jensen or Danneel or any other celebrity or industry expert would pay attention to you. They'd laugh you off of the internet in two minutes flat if they ever saw your good-for-nothing-but-a-laugh-while-they-rush-to-take-out-a-restraining-order-against-you posts.

"Goes without saying but since you seem less than sharp and unable to grasp this:" -> once again, you don't know me so don't pretend to know how I grasp things - what a presumptuous, obnoxious, and condescending thing to say. Just admit you're a gas lighter by trade and love to psychologically abuse human beings on the internet in your spare time, and go.

"When I write "hey danneel", I'm not actually talking to Danneel, I am venting, something I am entirely free to do on MY BLOG. The fact that you would even for a second imagine I was speaking to her shows you have some serious biases and project a lot. Danneel does not read my blog, read that again, Danneel does not read my blog." -> Um, babe, you do realize that you are ironically using the words 'biases' and 'project', right? From the few posts I've seen come my way recently from you, your biases of being anti Jensen and anti Danneel are indeed 'biases'. When you say that Jensen has an alcohol addiction, that Jensen is an absent father, even going so far as to say one of his daughters has a mental issue because of the pictures Jensen said she was drawing (as an embellished story for entertainment & to garner a few laughs, again, there's that whole reality vs what your reality is issue you've got going on, might want to get that checked), that Danneel purposely got pregnant to trap Jensen, that Danneel has mental issues because her social media was all over the place at one time, you do realize you're 'projecting', right? Especially your Danneel is 'ABUSING' Jensen post (sleep deprivation because she wanted to stay up on night in Rome??? That Jensen agreed to??? Do you even know what purposeful sleep deprivation is? Omg you can't be real). Which, sister, if you don't understand what abuse actually is, you should shut your mouth. Not because it's about Danneel or Jensen or anyone else, but because you're literally harming abuse survivors by casually throwing that word around. Don't believe me? Look it up, sis. Oh, and I know Danneel doesn't read your blog but I also know that you really hope she does. Why else would you consistently start your posts about her as if you were talking to her, telling her to let your "soulmate" go free? Why else would you disparage the children she has with the "love of your soul in another life"? With the man you consistently write your weird ass dream posts about who supposedly kisses you and protects you from everyone else because in a parallel universe you're "meant to be"? The same posts where you begin to tell people what happened in said dreams but then tell them that you'll never tell the rest to anyone because you're keeping it for yourself? Like the time you said you never met Jensen and then a couple of months later, you said you did and you know him, but refuse to divulge how you met him or how you know him? And Danneel is the attention whore in this scenario as you consistently claim? Girl, do you own a mirror? Or better yet, do you have a therapist on standby? (not so nice when the tables are turned on you, is it? yep, didn't think so)

"Also, as per my disclaimer, my blog is for entertainment purposes only. If you dislike it in any way, do not read it. Read that again, do not read it." -> once again, I don't follow your blog so why would I read your disclaimer. Good for you, I guess? Also, who needs a disclaimer to interact with other people? How is that even a thing? Are you a person or a corporation? Are you perhaps an AI bot? Do you go around at your job and hand out this disclaimer before saying hello to them or having a meeting or making a business-related phone call? Do you hand it to your neighbors and family before exchanging greetings or emails? Girl, seriously, you need to do some serious inner reflection. You think Danneel is ugly and Jensen is an alcoholic, drugged-out, greedy, promiscuous, rancid loser deep down but, uh, neither of them need a disclaimer to interact with the outside world. Just sayin'.

"You don't want drama? Don't start it! I was sent your post by someone who ran across it." -> Lol, sure, Jan. I think the reason you jumped on this post so fast that you found is because you know it speaks truth. So who really is starting the drama here? Spoiler alert: it's you.

"Just so you know, if you or your bully friends see any of my posts, it's because you are purposefully looking through the Anti tags, which means you are purposefully targetting and then acting holier than thou." -> What? LMFAO!!!! What bully friends? Are you just making things up now since you've got nothing concrete here to hit me back with? Are you having some sort of hallucination or some set of delusions? I just said I don't go looking for your posts or your blog. I just told you above how I saw your posts and it's been happening that way for a while now. I'll turn your words back to you: "You don't want drama? Don't start it!" And acting holier than thou? How? How is me bringing logic aka common sense and rationale to the table that you keep setting with your obsessive takes acting holier than thou? And, sis, why would I target you? Seriously. You are not that important, to me or anyone else. That would be like me thinking my blog is so important that Misha and Jensen and Danneel all read my meta posts. Are you for real? (you can't be real, I refuse to believe you're for real unless your loved ones and possibly your doctor don't know you're on here doing this) Just like you mentioned, this is MY BLOG and I can post my opinions on here, same as you. Don't like it? Block me like you said you would.

"You have an obsession with a couple of Z listers, you're no brain surgeon so please dial down the histrionic drama and fake outrage and act like a responsible adult." -> Obsession? In what world am I obsessed with Jensen? Or even Danneel? Did you fail to see the header of my blog when you saw my post and dived into it? "No celebrity standom" Once again, how do you not know I'm a brain surgeon by trade? It sounds to me like you make an awful lot of assumptions and you really do remind me of those online bullies who like to weaponize their words. Such a gaslighter, my god. Don't worry, I'm not insulted, just disappointed. And histrionic drama and fake outrage? Sis, I wasn't the one that reblogged your post to my mean girls clique in order to garner feigned sympathy and support because I realized what an assholish post I made and didn't like someone's alternate take on it. Does that sound like a responsible adult to you? You keep mentioning all of this hate you get, have you ever taken a look at yourself and wondered why? I don't condone it, no one should ever send hate. Been there, received it from AA's myself, but damn, girl. Look at how you're acting.

"P.S: Next time you or your friends send hate anon messages, have the guts to sign them and show the world what you really are like inside your heart and mind." -> Okay, again, who are these other people you speak of? You seem very paranoid, almost unnaturally so. Le sigh, once again, I don't send hate anon messages nor do I know of anyone on here that does. First, I'm an adult and I can handle myself, thank you (I'm not a bully or a mean girl so I don't need a clique like you do). Second, I do sign my name when I leave asks, thank you, which can be proven all over this site in many different fandoms. Because I don't have anything to hide and more importantly, I don't send hate asks. In my book, that's cowardly and I despise it. Like I mentioned above, I've been through that before myself so why would I perpetrate that against someone else? Even if I don't agree with their unhinged takes and I can clearly see that you're unwell after receiving these messages from you?

"Let me help you by blocking you so that you won't ever be bothered by my posts again." -> Cool, thanks. I very much appreciate that actually. How kind of you after all of that spewed vitriol and unwell rhetoric.

"Have a nice life that hopefully doesn't involve foregoing your dreams and goals over a sad z lister like Danneel Ackles. Seriously, you're meant for more in life than just limiting yourself to worshipping a has been "actress". I hope you give yourself the love and appreciation you are projecting unto her." -> What? Lol. Seriously? Okay, babe, seriously and I mean this compassionately now, I don't know where you learned this form of gas lighting from but if there were ever a statement that encompasses that form of psychological abuse (trust me, I would know), it's that. Thanks for the well wishes, I guess? Wow. I kind of feel like Emma Stone in Easy A right now. "Did I just get saved?" Smh. And since when do I worship Danneel? If you actually looked at my blog, you would see that I don't worship anyone. Once again, "no celebrity standom". (and I love how you keep claiming I'm obsessed with Danneel but who keeps going back to her as a focal point? Here's a hint: it's not me)

@ hookslineandsinkers I never sent any hate asks to anyone. I don't believe in that practice. First, no one deserves hate no matter who they are. Second, I would sign my name if I truly thought going to her blog to say something to her was worth the trouble. I've been through the AA hate swarming thing myself in the past. I don't condone that.

Hologramcowboy:

"Yes, it had to be this blogger because the ask was using key words they used in this post. Funny how they failed to mention in their post that they send anon hate which, of course, they won't ever own up to. 🤣🤦🏼‍♀️ Ah, fandom, keep being cray cray." -> That's why you're incorrectly accusing me of sending you hate asks? Because of keywords? Lol! What keywords? "Jensen"? "Danneel"? "Birthday"? "Unhinged"? Omg, I don't even-- 🤦🏼‍♀️ You know what? You made your point, Hologramcowboy. It's obvious that I nor anyone else on any social media site should ever take what you say seriously nor should we pay attention to you at all. Congratulations. You win. You're clearly spiraling and you are beyond paranoid. You go around yelling at people for doing the same thing you're doing on this site, then falsely accuse them of doing worse things than that in order to paint yourself as the crucified victim and garner sympathy from your readers. I wish nothing but the best for you moving forward. Time to up the dosage or go for some therapy as you always seem to tell everyone else (not so nice when it's aimed at you, is it? maybe now you'll stop saying shit like that to people you disagree with and dislike, probably not, but I choose to be optimistic). Good luck with that. I really hope you get well.

Holy hell, and I thought the AA's were bad. The language used in reblog comments alone. I've seen antis say some messed up things over the years and AA's definitely say worse, but that's a whole new level of unhinged and unwell. I've managed to get away from abusive personalities like this one over the years, I have no desire to invite another in. No thank you. Best of luck. TTFN.

Just saw a very unhinged take on the birthday posts Jensen and Danneel posted for Danneel's birthday yesterday. It's one thing to be an anti but when it's clear you have a meltdown every single time Jensen posts or says something related to his wife or he's seen anywhere near her, you might want to take a good look at why this sends you into a mental breakdown each time and why you feel the need to broadcast all of that onto social media & believe that either Jensen or Danneel will see it and suddenly change/live their lives according to what you're telling them, I guess?

Me every time I see this one person's posts come across my dash (it's literally like clock work at this point):

On the other hand, the kids looked absolutely adorable and I am so happy that they got to go to Disneyland in Paris!!!

Arrow is such a cutie (and a younger version of her mom I think), Zepp is a cute younger version of his dad it looks like, and JJ is so adorbs (I think she mostly looks like her mom but when you see her grinning, you can see her dad coming through). They are just the cutest.

Happy belated birthday, Danneel! Keep posting, queen.

[whateverthedragonswant]

I just have to get this off my chest because it's been bothering me ever since I saw a particular post about Danneel (I'll mention below) earlier and all of the ridiculousness I've seen this weekend about J2M as well:

Holy fucking shit. I knew with Jibcon being this weekend that there would be so much drama happening (like always) but I can't believe some of the takes I've seen from what these guys have said. This, to me, is an all-new low for this fandom.

First of all, while I am not a Jared fan (I don't hate the guy, I'm just indifferent to him if that makes sense) and while I have repeatedly claimed that I despise 15x20 and Dean's death, when I read his answer to that finale question (I haven't watched the panel yet but I plan to), I did not automatically take it as him saying that Dean deserved to die or that he deserved to live a half life or any of it. Do I agree with his opinion (at first mention I mean)? No, but it's just that, his opinion. Since the whole DenCon 2021 disaster, I've actually done a deep dive with this guy and I have come to appreciate his opinions on things related to the show and industry, even if I may not necessarily agree with him all of the time. I don't think he's an evil guy or sitting around hatching evil schemes to screw over Jensen, Misha, Dean, Cas, or their fans or anything like it. The guy's human and he has opinions, just like every other human being on the planet. Can we please try to come from that perspective when we hear something he said rather than running around screaming "FOUL!" before the guy is even finished speaking? I'm guilty of making that mistake in the past but now I try to come from a more objective and compassionate perspective when I hear something, and then look into it for myself. And each time I find that his words/intention consistently gets misconstrued and painted in a light that was never there in the first place. Which brings me to my second point:

When it comes to Danneel, I am not per se a fan of hers either, I am also rather indifferent to her as I am to Jared or Misha. I don't hate her and even though I don't condone any of what could be characterized as "bad behavior" from the past (i.e. her old tweets and responses to people), like Jared for example, she is also another human being and like any other human being, people do change and they do grow as they get older/have more experiences. She may still behave in a similar manner (though we haven't seen this publicly that I am aware of) or she may not (when you have kids, things tend to change your perspective usually), either way it doesn't matter when it comes to what I'm about to mention. Criticize the woman or don't criticize her, love her or hate her, whatever your reasons, can we PLEASE stop with the bullshit? And what I mean by the bullshit is this:

Jensen mentioned that he was tired in his solo panel today because Danneel wanted to stay up the night before because she hadn't been to Rome in 11 years. All of a sudden, antis (and one severely worrying individual in particular who apparently has a hard time distinguishing fiction from reality when it comes to this couple aka one hgcowboy - you know the one): DANNEEL IS ABUSING HIM BY DEPRIVING HIM OF SLEEP!!!! HOW DARE SHE!!!

Like, are you fucking kidding me? I may be indifferent to the woman or give two figs about her really but how do you get from Jensen being tired from a late night out with his wife to her ABUSING him? And this is characterized as intentional sleep deprivation? Obviously this person (hgcowboy) has never been psychologically abused like this (which is obviously a good thing) nor has she ever spoken to someone who has been through such an ordeal (I am someone who has been through that for example); that's more than evident from this commentary she posted.

1) Danneel wanting to stay out late because this is the one time she's been to Rome in 11 years (and obviously the first time with their kids) is NOT abuse. Have you ever had kids? Have you been married with said kids? There is nothing wrong with Mommy and Daddy having a night out, especially in a place that Mommy doesn't always get to visit (which is why I'm willing to bet that Jensen agreed to stay up despite his early schedule the next day). It doesn't matter that Jensen had a con the next day. The circumstances being what they are change Jensen's usual schedule. If he wasn't married and dating someone instead or took his mom there and she wanted to enjoy a night out or Daniela did as Jensen first joked, is that abuse, too? Simple answer: no. Can it be inconsiderate if (and that's a big IF) that person's intentions were purely self-involved? Sure. But NOT abuse.

2) Jensen is a GROWN ASS MAN. He can make his own decisions. For example, he said yesterday that he likes to go on the Tower of Terror ride (or whatever they call it these days) like JJ, but Danneel doesn't like the ride. He still makes the decision to go on that ride no matter that she doesn't like it. HE MAKES HIS OWN CHOICES. He could have told Danneel no about staying up but he didn't. He chose to go anyway, knowing he had an early morning. That's on him, not her, no matter the reasoning behind his making the decision. He is responsible for himself. Stop pulling shit out of thin air to justify your hatred and jealousy, seriously.

3) As an abuse survivor, I am flat out asking that hgcowboy: can you please stop fucking throwing the word ABUSE around because you're insanely jealous of the woman who Jensen took with him to Rome and it's not you? Like seriously "Sleep deprivation IS abuse" - perhaps learn what actual abuse is and stop throwing that fucking word around (especially in this fucking context) for your own reasons and so you can keep your ongoing fantasy that Jensen is going to leave his wife for you for whenever the next time you meet him is (if you actually met him as you claimed). This is not the first time you've done this when it comes to the topic of Jensen and Danneel, and it needs to STOP. Every time you do it to justify your hatred and jealousy of a woman that the guy you're obsessed with is married to, you do harm to actual abuse survivors such as myself. Abuse is a serious subject and that word should not be thrown around lightly. Idgaf if you hate Danneel, you want to keep that toxicity going (as all hatred is), that's your business, but stop fucking using that word and STOP acting/saying it like you are an expert on the matter, like you do on everything else you talk about like acting, the industry, branding, Jensen's mental state, Danneel's mental state, their kids' mental states (remember that disgusting post you made about their youngest daughter because you couldn't distinguish a joking story from actual reality? saying she was a sociopath in the making? because I sure do), and psychology (spoiler alert on that one: you're not). Because from that statement alone, you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And it is absolutely disrespectful and damaging to the abuse survivor community when you say that shit and put it out into the universe. You really should be ashamed of yourself.

And those who have actually experienced abuse in any form know exactly how serious that word is, the kind of impact labeling a situation or event as such actually has, and would never use it so disrespectfully and so casually. Like I said, you ought to be ashamed.

Now for those who say Jensen was name dropping when talking about being a producer, did y'all actually watch the panel where he talks about it? He was stating how hard it was to actually get a project onto the air, no matter what the circumstances, i.e. having names attached that were highly successful. Where is the name dropping? Where is this him being so arrogant that he made himself sound like Thee Producer? Have y'all not learned by now to watch the panels for yourselves and not 100% trust the tweets that come out of these rooms? Meaning that their interpretation or translation and context may not always come across in their tweets? How many times does this need to happen in order for you to finally get it? And you guys say you're the critically thinking ones? Yeah, not so much.

Have your opinions, express them freely on your blogs or chosen social media, love/like or hate/dislike who/what you want, but for Christ's sake, can we please inject some rationale into this fandom once and for all? Not everything these guys say is meant to be taken literally or to be a sign of them being in a hostage situation with their wives that only you can help them escape from (looking at you blogger I mentioned above; just admit you're obsessed with Jensen and that's why you hate Danneel so much and go). Perhaps not all is right in the Jenneel world, perhaps there really is a separation on the horizon, perhaps there isn't, either way, it doesn't matter. It doesn't give you the right to throw that word around so casually. And you obviously haven't learned since your last claim of "abuse" that people were doing to Jared when a fan told him not to cry or she would start crying (not meant in a negative or demeaning way to him at all) in a panel a year or so ago. It's clear that you do not understand what that word means. If you truly care about the abuse survivor community, you'll stop using it for your own justifications, fantasies, and anti blog discourse.

And while we're at it, let's all just admit that half of the shit that's said about these guys (and their wives) would never be said to their faces. I seriously doubt you would say it to anyone's face if you had to look them in the eye and say it. You don't have to like these guys or these women, you're free to have your opinions and express them, but can we seriously stop with the exaggerated speculation and outlandish analysis of each word that comes out of these guys' mouths about every single aspect of their lives? We are not inside their heads, their homes, their marriages/relationships, or the inner working of their careers. Does that mean that each individual hasn't done something worth of legitimate criticism? No. They're human beings on a very public stage. Each one of them has done or said something that is not desirable and perhaps has caused you to un-fan them so to speak. But does that mean all of this fighting (i.e. Jensen fandom vs Jared fandom & Jared fandom vs Misha fandom) and toxicity and drama and spreading of negativity needs to continue? No. Why can't we just enjoy what we enjoy about this series and/or these guys and leave it at that?

It's just beyond frustrating. I swear, if I could make my own tag for this show and Jensen on here, I would. Tumblr has to come up with a better filtering tag system than the one they currently have in place.

Just had to get that out. Done.

Edit: I don't usually include names in any of these posts but after the person named here came at me the way she did, accusing me of shit I didn't do, and sicced her followers on me for no damn good reason, now Idgaf.

[hologramcowboy]

Regarding this post: https://www.tumblr.com/hologramcowboy/750004576545128448/i-just-need-to-vent-for-a-second-more-and-more?

I confess, at times, I slide into protectiveness when it comes to Jensen (and a couple other celebrities), but I'm working on it. It's why I've been reading anti-Jensen as well as others, to temper my view point and to open my eyes. Are all of them accurate? Probably not.

That said... I have noticed a downswing regarding Jensen. I'd say it started right around season 15 of Supernatural. Or rather, when everything locked down because of COVID. Being forced to stay with Danneel definitely didn't help Jensen's mental, emotional, nor physical health.

After that, well, we can see that the whole prequel didn't work, and everything else after that. Oh, there were periods where he seemed okay--better, even--and that could be related to his being away from Danneel every time.

I can't say it's solely on everyone outside of Jensen, of course. While it is very hard for abuse victims to escape their abusers--I speak from experience as a survivor--it is possible for Jensen to leave. Unless he's staying for the kids (which is a very valid reason) and perhaps is doing all these cons and attempts to get jobs to keep Danneel happy, especially with the money pit of a mansion in CT.

My heart aches for him. He's made some really bad decisions, and is likely surrounded by people who are either in the dark and/or won't/can't speak up against him because they're yes men or terrified of losing their jobs. (Good god, that's a run-on, sorry.)

I really hope he gets the help he needs. I hope he wakes up to the pain he's putting himself in, people around him, and realize that his name will only take him so far before the bad stuff catch up to him.

I adore him. I do. But not enough to turn a blind eye to all the bad stuff he's continuing. I guess it's not so much a question as sharing my perspective.

Thank you for sharing your perspective, anon.

I think both Jensen and Danneel have toxic traits that clearly feed into each other. It's no wonder Jensen is almost always drunk.

[hologramcowboy]

https://www.tumblr.com/hologramcowboy/717108267929698304/speaking-of-tw-cast-reminded-me-that-jensen-made?source=share

I don’t know what cons you or anon have been watching lately but Jensen has not said anything or made fun of Meg’s height. The only person to have commented on her height has been Meg herself. The only thing Jensen ever mentioned about Meg at any con was her driving that was it.

Why don’t you just change yourself to an anti Jensen blog already. All you do is nothing but shit all over everything Jensen does or says. Then try to say you love Jensen which clearly you don’t. The man breathes you are criticizing him. So just change yourself to an anti Jensen blog already.

EDIT: Jensen called Meg "height deprived" at NJCON.

"The only thing Jensen ever mentioned about Meg at any con was her driving that was it." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sure, anon, whatever you need to tell yourself.

Hi bully, you sound like Danneel when she bullied people online. Let me put in french for you: None of your f business what I am, feel or think. Got it? I don't "have" to be anything you want me to be. I am authentically me. Those who resonate are welcome on my blog, those who don't are welcome to not like it but you do not, on any level, in any way get to define what tags I should use on my blog or who I am. Your mind is too small to even perceive who I am. You revolve around Jensen's looks for very primordial reasons that's why you can't recognize the layers in anything I express and I don't need you to. I'm here to interact with likeminded people. Those who dislike me in any way are free to do so but I am in no way obligated to live up to any demands or expectations, you are delusional if you think you get to label people just because they don't see something the way you do. Also, you are heavily biased if you were able to pull this phrase out of your brain "The only thing Jensen ever mentioned about Meg at any con was her driving that was it." Jensen has mentioned the cast of TW several times, Meg included, yet your memory seems to conveniently be set on only remembering what confirms your conspiracy theories.

[laf-outloud]

Call me crazy, but I’d much prefer to read blogs that use coherent language and don’t resort to baseless insults and not so veiled threats. Keep on blogging!

So there I was, trying to apply my retinol serum without getting any in my eyes when suddenly I get a notification from a discord group with a screenshot telling me I am actually a man 🤣🤣🤣

It seems some sad anon who has it for my blog has decided to triangulate and claim completely delusional things and this "blogger" is equally or purposefully out of touch with reality. I guess anything goes to get some attention? 🤣 What kind of blogger makes up information instead of doing his due diligence? Creepy.

Let me just officially state that I am a woman and I am not @lol-jackles though I admire his blog and love his posts. ♥️ He seems quite brilliant.

I guess the people who sent me death threats and tried to mob me via anon got tired of that and decided to make up some lies. The crazy levels in this fandom never cease to amaze me.

[hologramcowboy]

https://www.tumblr.com/hologramcowboy/714868495147532288/jensen-is-trying-really-hard-to-shake-the-truth

I sent you the Sounds of Someday anon and I have a theory about this.

I think Jensen is playing the cutesy AAs by telling the story, but also speaking his truth that the marriage isn’t happy at home if you listen to the clues.

Hear me out here:

Like all actors - and something that was even acknowledged at the con - they are expected by their camps to sell certain images. Everything they portray in public, every project they attach to, all of it - they are carefully designed and created.

Jensen accepted the design that he and Elta had a great marriage, that they were Ken and Barbie. I think he genuinely loved her and thought this was it for him, so he allowed that image to be sold.

However, I think Elta is massively insecure (which is actually one of the biggest red flags for narcissists, ironically) and that sort of insecurity ruin marriages. Add in distance, starting off through infidelity, and his huge popularity - it’s a recipe for her to rapidly become unhinged within the relationship. We know she had plastic surgery in her late teens / early 20s and that women who choose to portray overly bitchy and slutty women tend to be insecure which only adds to it. Then we add in the bullying of other women, the need to stamp her claim that she caught him - this woman hates herself.

So I think “someday” was home and eventually that home caught on fucking fire because of that insecurity.

In keeping with that sold camp image, he has to tell cutesy stories about his wife. So in response to something that JDM said, he latched onto something that was new information that the AAs are foaming at the mouth for.

But here’s where him speaking his own truth quietly comes in.

He knows he has a song that literally references the “not today but someday”. He is careful with his words in keeping with his image. But then he still mentions that note knowing he has a song that talks about the fact that even “though the sounds of someday maybe be home” - his “not today but someday” that came true and became what he thought he wanted - his world is still falling apart and it’s not all sunshine and rainbows?

That’s not an accident. This was playing both sides. Selling the image he’s supposed to but also telling us all the truth.

He knows there will be people who draw the two together. I genuinely think he quietly just confirmed what we Elta antis already know - his marriage is PR at this point.

JDM even said that we were “all sleuths” and could “read between the lines” about another subject matter - but I felt that was a shout out to the fact that there are a lot of theories that people get right.

(Sorry it’s so long)

Interesting, Anon. He tells a lot of stories but when you look at the emotion that is lacking behind them, his body language and the subtle digs as well as the desperation to shift public perception that tells us everything we need to know. If Jensen is so happy and living the love pf his life why does he constantly feel the need to prove that and in the process gets so passive aggressive that even Elta haters are starting to sympathize with her? Something is deeply off here. It's fascinating how on one side he wants to sell an image he has no chemistry for and simultaneously he is revealing how miserable and unhappy is. Almost like he wants to have the image of a married man to show he is a "winner"( his AAs overuse this word as if Charlie Sheen trained them lol) and, at the same time, he doesn't love his wife so he also wants to signal the he is available even if tied down. He wants the perks of the image and the freedom of still living life his way which makes me suspect there is someone else he is into but cannot have/reach and he doesn't want to risk alienating that person completely so he tries to make it clear that he is "married" but not satisfied. Which again points to him being spineless. Sorry, I am on a bad roll today facing a pretty harsh truth. If he loves someone else he should chase that love not try to have his cake and eat it too. No high value woman is going to stick around for a man that is this manipulative and spineless. Though, I have to say, I'm more and more curious as to who Jensen is actually pining for. Does anyone have any theories/info?

[hologramcowboy]

https://www.tumblr.com/hologramcowboy/701183566946729984/i-used-to-love-jared-very-very-much-i-had-a-sam?source=share

I will start by saying I don't feel like this ask was in good faith, I think it was concern trolling. It's something a lot of Jared antis do to try and justify/temper their outright hatred - they say things like "I used to like Jared BUT..." or, and this is one I've seen a lot, "I would like Jared if he would stop doing things to make me hate him, I want to like him, but he gets in the way of that". Basically claiming that if only Jared wasn't Jared then they could like him, even claiming that they WANT to like him but they just can't and its all his fault. They feel like that gives them an excuse and an opening to then list all the reasons they "just can't like him" thereby trying to act like they aren't just the anti's they are. Maybe this anon really was genuine, but I'm sorry, I have seen this exact rhetoric way too consistently from Jared antis to be able to believe that.

"So what exactly is your assumption based on?" - I mean, they said it right in their ask, they said: "And who did that damage, who ruined my fandom experience? Not Jared, but the assholes who blew up the internet talking shit about him." So they're essentially even admitting that Jared did nothing wrong but the loud obnoxious people online ruined it. And who are those people who are loud and obnoxious against Jared? ANTI'S who are also very often AA's or hellers or both. I mean, if you're getting your Jared info from Jared antis then yea, its not going to be good. But I can also say that about 99% of the time what they say or claim is at best misconstrued (purposefully misconstrued to make him look bad) and at worst just straight up lies fabricated to make him look bad. So anon, if you want actual info maybe don't only listen to his antis, that is far from an unbiased view.

and just FYI, that symbol is on the back of every Texas license. It's all over Texas. Its been co-opted by some hate groups but it has also been co-opted for some great movements - like someone mentioned it was used during roe v wade rallies etc as a symbol of strength for the cause. So the fact that you, anon, and the antis are choosing to ONLY associate Jared's tattoo with the negative connotation is an active choice that you are making.

If anon truly wants to have an open mind and educate themselves (or anyone else who wants to for that matter) here are two places you can look:

The Great Texas “Come And Take It” Controversy

A brief thread about logic, facts and JP's tattoo

Powerful, powerful post! ♥️

[hologramcowboy]

https://at.tumblr.com/hologramcowboy/i-know-that-you-are-anti-daneel-but-i-gotta-say/vjsgrqfxwgpz

Sorry but I have to disagree with you here. I don’t pity Danneel at all. For all the time she has berated him and acted rude towards him in front of people she is getting a taste of her own medicine. This woman has taken every chance she can to put him down. She took a simple thing like him eating gummy bears to basically shame him. She has taken things he has enjoyed and made him feel bad about it. So I don’t blame him for the way his attitude was towards her. I kind of see it as him starting to not take her bs anymore. If she truly had a problem she would’ve said something. Plus I don’t blame him for looking upset at the last part of the live. She is supposed to be watching a show she so badly wanted to be part of but spent the time on her phone. It’s why she gave the I’m thankful to be here with you cause she couldn’t really say what went on in the episode. So I don’t blame Jensen for his attitude.

That's perfectly fine, we all have different perspectives. 🖤

It seems there's a pretty toxic dynamic between the two and Jensen is drowning his sorrows in alcohol.

While I fully agree that Danneel always devalues and challenges him with bad intentions, I don't think that should excuse his attitude. Because that would mean turning into her instead of responding wisely and just disengaging from her toxic dynamic and making healthy choices. If he becomes like her then she wins. She's brought him down to her level. I hope he aims to get in touch with his higher self not his resentful side.